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Traveller-digest    Thursday, December 16 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1511<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
All rights reserved.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
the imperial blade, what a bonus<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1509<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1503<BR>
RE: Mailing Info<BR>
Re: [OT] Politically Correct Season's Greetings<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1510<BR>
Re: OT Suggestions<BR>
Re: Re-introduction<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Re: US Constitution [OT]<BR>
Re: Re-introduction<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
[none]<BR>
Re: Canonicity of YTU<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:48:10 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: the imperial blade, what a bonus<BR>
<BR>
Peez tapped out:<BR>
>>IIRC, the cutlass is the "standard shipboard<BR>
weapon."  It<BR>
        is perhaps the best all-around blade weapon<BR>
available, and<BR>
        as someone pointed out it requires only one<BR>
hand.  In close<BR>
        quarters it can be quite effective, but any PC<BR>
that I have<BR>
        ever seen with a choice will grab a snub<BR>
pistol or a laser<BR>
        instead.  I think that it was probably<BR>
included in Traveller<BR>
        initially for colour.  As a rationalization,<BR>
tradition and<BR>
        esprit de corps are good excuses.>><BR>
<BR>
I expose here my ignorance and my having sold off my<BR>
copies of CT, (in my defence, it was years ago, I was<BR>
travelling, couldn't carry them around, etc etc etc),<BR>
having only the Ramshackle Edition (as Leonard so<BR>
rightly called it), but why is it you have an equal<BR>
chance of getting a 250 Cr blade and a 25 MCr ship???<BR>
I recall one of my players was not impressed, rolling<BR>
away, gets some creds, "okay, that's my spending<BR>
money, I wish I'd got Gambling skill, that'd be more<BR>
cash, then," and then "Blade". "Yippy skippy!" he<BR>
said, "thanks guys, twenty years as an Able Spacehand,<BR>
and that's what I get?" (He'd failed ALL his promotion<BR>
rolls)<BR>
I said, "Well, maybe it was _because_ it was twenty<BR>
years as an Able Spacehand..." but still kind of felt<BR>
sorry for him...<BR>
"Is it at least a Vorpal Blade?" he asked.<BR>
"Wrong game, mate," I replied sadly.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
=====<BR>
KA Schuant<BR>
member: Chef's Guild International, Sporting Shooter's Assoc, Amnesty Int, Carlton Soccer Club<BR>
Melbourne<BR>
Australia<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:16:40 -0600<BR>
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
On 12/14/99 at 10:05 PM,  shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) said:<BR>
<BR>
>>>I just watched "Raiders of the Lost Ark" again last night. Anybody got<BR>
>>>it on tape? If so, what's the serial number stenciled on the crate with<BR>
>>>the Ark in that last scene? The *exact* text of the labeling would be<BR>
>>>nice too.<BR>
<BR>
>> From what I remember of the cinema version the very last scene, prehaps<BR>
>> after the credits, shows the crate with the US stencil being burnt off from<BR>
>> the inside as if to say "You are not even the goods guys." (no offence).<BR>
<BR>
>I don't recall that from the theater version. Then again, that may be<BR>
>a difference between the US and foreign releases.<BR>
<BR>
It was there in the US release.  I remember it.  However, I had a<BR>
different interpretation.  It looked to me like the serial number<BR>
(not specifically the US stencil) was being obliterated, and without<BR>
a proper label would be as effectively buried within "the system" as<BR>
it ever was in an Egyptian tomb.  There's *no* telling what might be<BR>
in that unlabeled crate down in the depths of Warehouse 23.<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
- -----------------------------------------------------------<BR>
"Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>    using MR/2 ICE #245<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:47:23 -0800<BR>
From: Russell Bornschlegel <kaleja@estarcion.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1509<BR>
<BR>
Kenji Schwarz wrote:<BR>
> Nevertheless, retribution will be slow and certain.  Especially if I join<BR>
> the trickle of TML'ers to SF once I get out of this hive of prim and<BR>
> decency.<BR>
<BR>
Kenji on the way to SF. Hmm. To paraphrase Jhonen Vasquez, "Worried.<BR>
Frightened. Strangely aroused."<BR>
<BR>
- -Russell B<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:49:10 -0500<BR>
From: "Josh W. Spencer" <macmanjws@earthlink.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
On 12/16/1999 14:42, Glenn Goffin wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> Elvis's guitar won't kill you in my Traveller<BR>
> Universe, but it will make your hips rock and you'll<BR>
> suddenly become irrestible to members of the opposite<BR>
> sex.  <BR>
> <BR>
> There is no scientific explanation, but everyone I've<BR>
> ever known who was in a rock band has had that<BR>
> experience.<BR>
<BR>
It is also said in some quarters that certain TL 8 handheld computers can be<BR>
utilized to magnetically draw members of the opposite sex toward their<BR>
owner.<BR>
 <BR>
- -- <BR>
Josh<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:57:41 -0500<BR>
From: "Josh W. Spencer" <macmanjws@earthlink.net><BR>
Subject: Re: [BITS] Millennium Announcement<BR>
<BR>
At 03:58 PM 12/16/1999 +0000, someone else wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>> BITS - British Isles Traveller Support<BR>
>> http://www.bits.org.uk/<BR>
>> <BR>
>> "Something wonderful is going to happen."<BR>
<BR>
Then Douglas E. Berry replied:<BR>
> <BR>
> "My God, it's full of penguins..."<BR>
<BR>
Hmmmm...lemme guess...."2001: A Linux Odyssey"!!<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Josh<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:03:57 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
<BR>
>In Nebraska my ex-husband and I were<BR>
> actually THREATENED in a<BR>
> small town.  And he was *Chinese*-- he said for<BR>
> fifty cents he'd have said<BR>
> "I'm Chinese, we were on your side asshole" but<BR>
> nobody offered him fifty<BR>
> cents...<BR>
<BR>
That's cos racist are cheapskates, too.<BR>
<BR>
I'm always confused by caucasians' inability to tell<BR>
one asian race from another: usually, I get it about<BR>
right (though some chinese look korean). What's more,<BR>
they think it makes no difference. I went out with a<BR>
woman who sat there watching tv, and when a city<BR>
councillman came on talking about crime, she said,<BR>
"friggin bastard, you lot are all in it yourselves!"<BR>
I said, "hey, not _all_ politicians are corrupt..."<BR>
"Not because he's a politician, because he's a chink!<BR>
They're all in the Triads!"<BR>
"Um, Triads is a Hong Kong, southern Chinese criminal<BR>
organisation..."<BR>
"So?"<BR>
"This guy was not Chinese..."<BR>
"How do you know?"<BR>
"Well, his face for one thing, but if nothing else,<BR>
his name: Phu Ngoc Nguyen,, that's Vietnamese."<BR>
"So what? They're all the same, they're all in it<BR>
together."<BR>
Needless to say, I stopped seeing this girl soon<BR>
thereafter... scary thing was, she's a cop, in<BR>
multicultural Sydney... I would have thought that a<BR>
cop would know that you're not going to find a<BR>
Vietnamese in the Triads...<BR>
<BR>
=====<BR>
KA Schuant<BR>
member: Chef's Guild International, Sporting Shooter's Assoc, Amnesty Int, Carlton Soccer Club<BR>
Melbourne<BR>
Australia<BR>
<BR>
"Duct tape is like the Force: it has a light side, a dark side, and it binds the universe together"<BR>
__________________________________________________<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:23:40 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
<BR>
On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Kyle Schuant wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> >In Nebraska my ex-husband and I were<BR>
> > actually THREATENED in a<BR>
> > small town.  And he was *Chinese*-- he said for<BR>
> > fifty cents he'd have said<BR>
> > "I'm Chinese, we were on your side asshole" but<BR>
> > nobody offered him fifty<BR>
> > cents...<BR>
> <BR>
> That's cos racist are cheapskates, too.<BR>
> <BR>
Yeah, but he was a racist too-- it eventually contributed to the breakup.<BR>
"I don't ever want to hear you speak that language again, you're Chinese<BR>
now dammit!!!"<BR>
<BR>
> I'm always confused by caucasians' inability to tell<BR>
> one asian race from another: usually, I get it about<BR>
> right (though some chinese look korean). What's more,<BR>
> they think it makes no difference. <BR>
<BR>
That's cause they have forgotten that there is a diff between Irish and<BR>
English and French and German and such... at least in America, you are<BR>
white, or you are "ethnic" meaning black or Asian or Hispanic (which<BR>
floors me, because Hispanics can be white, black or Asian).<BR>
<BR>
And they think I am Hispanic, LOL.<BR>
<BR>
> "Well, his face for one thing, but if nothing else,<BR>
> his name: Phu Ngoc Nguyen,, that's Vietnamese."<BR>
<BR>
LOL, ya think???<BR>
<BR>
> Needless to say, I stopped seeing this girl soon<BR>
> thereafter... scary thing was, she's a cop, in<BR>
> multicultural Sydney... I would have thought that a<BR>
> cop would know that you're not going to find a<BR>
> Vietnamese in the Triads...<BR>
<BR>
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:30:17 -0700<BR>
From: "Eric T.  or  Maryann C. Holmes" <holmberg@thuntek.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1503<BR>
<BR>
Please:<BR>
<BR>
Can someone please retransmit 1503.<BR>
<BR>
Eric<BR>
<BR>
Eric T. or Maryann C. Holmes<BR>
holmberg@thuntek.net<BR>
505-896-8061<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:53:08 -0000<BR>
From: "Mark Preston" <mark@mpreston.demon.co.uk><BR>
Subject: RE: Mailing Info<BR>
<BR>
Do you mean the XML development I'm doing for Traveller data? If so,<BR>
mail me at mark@mpreston.demon.co.uk and I'll add your address to the<BR>
list (and you'll be just in time for the latest issue). As yet, its<BR>
not a listserv, but if you want, I can make it one.<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
[mailto:owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of Jim & Peta<BR>
Lawrie<BR>
Sent: 16 December 1999 01:48<BR>
To: TML<BR>
Subject: Mailing Info<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
    Does the XTML list still function? Could someone tell me the<BR>
procedure<BR>
for joining that list as well? I'm a bit lost and I'm having troubles<BR>
getting onto the majordomo site.<BR>
    Jim L.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:57:10 -0500<BR>
From: "Swordy \(Colin Michael\)" <swordworlder@clinic.net><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] Politically Correct Season's Greetings<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: "Jason Kemp" <Jason.Kemp@tdh.state.tx.us><BR>
> The Ubiquitous ObTrav: Imagine the cultural diversity of the 3I. What <BR>
> do Imperial holiday cards read like?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
What ever the Emperor *says* they should read like!<BR>
<BR>
- -Crusty<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:02:47 EST<BR>
From: GDWGAMES@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1510<BR>
<BR>
<< > Look at the different ways the American media portrayed Germans and<BR>
 > Japanese during WWII, for example. There was a greater cultural distance<BR>
 > between American and Japan than America and Germany -- and yet it was the<BR>
 > Japanese who were more demonized.<BR>
 > <BR>
<deletions><BR>
<BR>
Japanese political cartoons during the war portrayed the Americans as demons. <BR>
US political cartoons tended to show the Japanese as apes or monkeys (there <BR>
is a whole book on the subject, but I forget the title something to the <BR>
effect of _Race and Racism . . . during the Pacific War_).<BR>
<BR>
My father went to his grave hating only one thing more than the Japanese -- <BR>
Franklin Roosevelt. It was typical of some of his generation . . .<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:58:13 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: OT Suggestions<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> First, go get FinderPop. The Mac has much more customizable context menus<BR>
> (like right clicking in Windows), but you have to press the control key<BR>
> when you click.<BR>
<BR>
The things I learn on this list. I must have missed that it the (*old*)<BR>
manual I have.<BR>
<BR>
> FinderPop (pintware, send enough to the author to cover<BR>
> the cost of a pint ;-) has a setting that lets you click and hold, and<BR>
> then the menu pops up. Still only need one button!<BR>
<BR>
> If you get something like a trackball, you can assign the right key the<BR>
> context menu key combo. But I like FinderPop a LOT, so much so that I find<BR>
> myself holding the left mouse button down at work, vainly waiting for the<BR>
> context menu to pop up on my PC.<BR>
<BR>
I have enough trouble with accidentally hitting the buttons when I<BR>
didn't intend to that I'm not gonna try making them do different<BR>
things! <BR>
<BR>
> There's a new book out from O'Reilley, a cross platform Windows <-> Mac<BR>
> book out it might be worth a browse, of you're moving over.<BR>
<BR>
> Final bit of general advice: if in doubt, try dragging the file onto the<BR>
> application, drag'n'drop is a LOT more pervasive in the MacOS than it is<BR>
> in Windows.<BR>
<BR>
Another thing that never would have occured to me.<BR>
<BR>
> Welcome to the Light Side of the Force ;-)<BR>
<BR>
Sorry, just visiting. My Mac is (going to be) networked to my Netware<BR>
server, along with some PCs running DR-DOS, OS/2, and Win 95 (only<BR>
because I had to get it to run some stuff). And eventually a Linux box<BR>
will join the collection.<BR>
<BR>
I'd *like* to add my old TRS-80 systems and the Franklin Ace 1200<BR>
(Apple II+ clone), but even if I track down the network cards (yes,<BR>
such actually exist!), I'd have to write my own software, both drivers<BR>
for the cards, and NLMs on the Netware side.<BR>
<BR>
I guess I'm more like the Borg. I assimilate any useful technology and<BR>
add the diversity to my own. :-)<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav: Trying to get info from a computer system only to discover it's<BR>
a network of widely disparate tech levels and technologies.<BR>
<BR>
"Well, this is a Vargr scent scanner. And it's hooked into a Hiver unit<BR>
that the Hivers never really explained to outsiders. But the *real*<BR>
problem is that he's got big chunks of custom built Droyne sub-systems.<BR>
They don't *have* standards..."<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:10:40 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Re-introduction<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> At 12:33 AM 12/16/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>>Now is the time of the Gathering, when the stroke of a key will unleash<BR>
>>a spray of Pepsi on the keyboard.  In the end, there can be only one....<BR>
><BR>
> Spllufff... <BR>
><BR>
> <f/x: keyboard exploding like one of those Star trek jobbies that has<BR>
> 50,000mV power cables wired to it><BR>
<BR>
<innocent look><BR>
<BR>
But why would 50,000 *milli*volts cause an explosion?<BR>
<BR>
</innocent look><BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:14:25 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Hmmm carried on wooden staves, touching it is death....<BR>
><BR>
> why does my mind jump to conclusions like 'highly charged power cell'<BR>
> and 'functioning fusion plant' when I read this. Particularly when it<BR>
> bears the name of someone whose 'Throne is above the winged creatures'.<BR>
><BR>
> I can hear the Vilani manager now...<BR>
><BR>
> "Some damn low caste engineering idiot left the insulator caps off the<BR>
> power take-offs, then LOST the thing on that TL3 planet!!!"<BR>
><BR>
> Must have been a GURPS fusion plant, too, had fuel enogh for<BR>
> centuries...;-><BR>
<BR>
Actually, a very *common* speculation notes that something built<BR>
according to the description given in the Bible would be a sort of<BR>
Leyden jar. In short a *big* capacitor, capable of storing quite a bit<BR>
of energy at rather high voltage. <BR>
<BR>
Anybody who has ever forgotten to discharge a capacitor before working<BR>
on a piece of hardware can certainly understand the problem. <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:56:59 -0600<BR>
From: Richard Wilson <rtwilson@rollanet.org><BR>
Subject: Re: US Constitution [OT]<BR>
<BR>
At 10:05 AM 12/16/99 -0700, you wrote:<BR>
>Kyle Schuant wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>> Leonard wrote:<BR>
>> > Since then the court has *refused* to hear any<BR>
>> > appeals involving the<BR>
>> > second amendment.<BR>
>> > Though it seems a *strong*<BR>
>> > possibility that the court<BR>
>> > wants no part of this mess.<BR>
>> Frankly, I don't blame them. But it seems to me that<BR>
>> part of letting yourself be appointed to the Supreme<BR>
>> Court means being willing to get into a "mess". When I<BR>
>> joined the Army I didn't act surprised when they sent<BR>
>> me to combat. The SC is there to deal with messy<BR>
>> issues. If they were simple and clear-cut all the<BR>
>> time, you wouldn't need the SC.<BR>
><BR>
>Well, the Court is also limited in that the issues it can rule on can<BR>
>only be brought up in the specific form that come to it though the<BR>
>appeals court. They often wait for just the right case, so as to settle<BR>
>issues in the broadest fashion possible, to clear up the mess once and<BR>
>for all. So iften they will not immediately choose relvant cases.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
In theory only. The famous Miranda decision went on for more than fifty<BR>
pages before even mentioning the facts of the four cases they were suppost<BR>
to be ruling on.<BR>
<BR>
(Source: Guilty: The Collapse of Criminal Justice, by Judge Harold J.<BR>
Rothwax, Random House, 1996)<BR>
<BR>
  <BR>
<BR>
Richard Wilson<BR>
<BR>
rtwilson@rollanet.org<BR>
<BR>
========================================================================<BR>
Humanity is not something we should aspire to. It is something we should<BR>
strive to overcome.<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:10:58 -0600<BR>
From: Richard Wilson <rtwilson@rollanet.org><BR>
Subject: Re: Re-introduction<BR>
<BR>
At 12:33 AM 12/16/99 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
>Ross Coburn wrote:<BR>
>> <BR>
><<snip>><BR>
>> <BR>
>> So, what are the hot, done to death and overly sensitive topics du jour?<BR>
><BR>
>Well, in October we had the dreaded Four Flamewars of the Apocalypse:<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
You forgot the annual "Ethically Challenged Merchants" debate. Of course,<BR>
that was earlier this year.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Richard Wilson<BR>
<BR>
rtwilson@rollanet.org<BR>
<BR>
========================================================================<BR>
Humanity is not something we should aspire to. It is something we should<BR>
strive to overcome.<BR>
========================================================================<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:10:54 -0400<BR>
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
At 06:14 PM 12/16/99 PST, you wrote:<BR>
>In mail you write:<BR>
><BR>
>> Hmmm carried on wooden staves, touching it is death....<BR>
>><BR>
>> why does my mind jump to conclusions like 'highly charged power cell'<BR>
>> and 'functioning fusion plant' when I read this. Particularly when it<BR>
>> bears the name of someone whose 'Throne is above the winged creatures'.<BR>
>><BR>
>> I can hear the Vilani manager now...<BR>
>><BR>
>> "Some damn low caste engineering idiot left the insulator caps off the<BR>
>> power take-offs, then LOST the thing on that TL3 planet!!!"<BR>
>><BR>
>> Must have been a GURPS fusion plant, too, had fuel enogh for<BR>
>> centuries...;-><BR>
><BR>
>Actually, a very *common* speculation notes that something built<BR>
>according to the description given in the Bible would be a sort of<BR>
>Leyden jar. In short a *big* capacitor, capable of storing quite a bit<BR>
>of energy at rather high voltage. <BR>
><BR>
>Anybody who has ever forgotten to discharge a capacitor before working<BR>
>on a piece of hardware can certainly understand the problem. <BR>
><BR>
        Hi, Leonard....<BR>
        Along the same lines was remarked that the tent it was kept in on<BR>
the road was a camel-hair tent-like arrangement...  add a warm desert wind<BR>
and that structure would have been the next best thing to a Van DeGraff<BR>
generator.  <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:13:36 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
Josh optimistically wrote:<BR>
> It is also said in some quarters that certain TL 8<BR>
> handheld computers can be<BR>
> utilized to magnetically draw members of the<BR>
> opposite sex toward their<BR>
> owner.<BR>
<BR>
Computers _attracting_ members of the opposite sex?!<BR>
<BR>
"To sleep, perchance to dream..."<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:19:09 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>>But how about if there was some perfectly valid<BR>
>>(scientfic) reason why it does kill anyone who touches it?<BR>
><BR>
> Another suggestion I have read is that the way the box is built, with<BR>
> the different metals interacting, somehow makes it an electrical<BR>
> capacitor.  Touching it "earths" the box, and zap! one crisped<BR>
> Israelite (this was a "scientific" handwave by someone who doesn't<BR>
> like miracles, ISTR). So maybe you're right, Bruce.<BR>
<BR>
Well, it doesn't need *different* metals. Just that the ark be built<BR>
(as it was) of an insulator (wood?) covered inside and out with metal<BR>
*and no connection between the inside and outside metal coverings.*<BR>
<BR>
And trust me a capacitor that size would pack enough wallop to stun a<BR>
horse. <BR>
<BR>
It's also possible to build a more than adequate charging mechanism<BR>
using nothing more than water dripping from a pair of metal spouts,<BR>
thru two pairs of metal cylinders properly cross connected.<BR>
<BR>
There's an *old*(late 60s/early 70s) Popular Science (or maybe<BR>
Scientific American) with plans for building one at home.<BR>
<BR>
You get enough voltage for it to arc over a quarter inch gap. <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:19:15 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
<BR>
> I would have thought that<BR>
> a<BR>
> > cop would know that you're not going to find a<BR>
> > Vietnamese in the Triads...<BR>
> <BR>
> Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.<BR>
> <BR>
> Kiri  =)<BR>
<BR>
Oh, I don't undersetimate human stupidity, but I<BR>
assumed that the cops would have taught them at the<BR>
Academy basic stuff like:<BR>
"The Mafia has ITALIANS in it."<BR>
"The Triads has CHINESE in it."<BR>
"The Yakuza has JAPANESE in it."<BR>
etc etc<BR>
That way, you don't have the embarassing thing of Don<BR>
Corleone dying of a heart attack from laughter in yur<BR>
interrogation room when you accuse him of being in the<BR>
Yakuza.<BR>
So, I though they'd tell 'em stuff like that, but I<BR>
guess it just proves my own stupidity:(<BR>
<BR>
God only knows how we manage not to be awash in crime,<BR>
with brilliant cops like these running around.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:25:18 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: [none]<BR>
<BR>
Richard wrote:<BR>
>>You forgot the annual "Ethically Challenged<BR>
Merchants" debate. Of<BR>
course,<BR>
that was earlier this year.>><BR>
<BR>
what's that? An K'kree greengrocer trying to set up<BR>
business in a small Vargr town?<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:00:45 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Charles Collin <charles@hebb.psych.mcgill.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Canonicity of YTU<BR>
<BR>
Personally I run a pretty canonical TU, but I don't worry about minor<BR>
details.  For instance, I have vector direction randomized on jump exit. <BR>
There are several canonical sources which specifically mention ships<BR>
heading in certain directions so that they'll emerge going in certain<BR>
directions, so that's not "official".  But I think it fits better with the<BR>
overall OTU, in which near-c rocks are not commonly used.<BR>
<BR>
Oh, but I am a heretic when it comes to rules.  I've never really run any<BR>
system "out of the box", I always tweak with house rules. I think almost<BR>
everybody does this with Traveller, because the system is simple enough to<BR>
modify easily.  And of course now I'm using FUDGE to run my games.  <FUDGE<BR>
PLUG (Man, that sounds obcene!)>God that system is so freeing!  I ran a<BR>
Traveller adventure a few weeks ago and an impromtu "Heros in Hell" game<BR>
after that, using the same rules with virtually no prep.  It's very smooth<BR>
(and its free...).</FUDGE PLUG><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Charles C.<BR>
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